[linux-dvb] HVR-4000

[Jean Paul Gatt]

Yes,

I meant the mailing list as a group.

I want to add that I know coding the drivers themselves is more important
(everybody hates documentation), but what use is a valid driver if almost
no-one knows how to use it .. or worse that it exists?!?!

On Jan 16, 2008 4:01 PM, Steven Toth <stoth at linuxtv.org> wrote:

> Jean Paul Gatt wrote:
> > In the meantime ...
> >
> > While the whole kernel debate goes on ...can the wiki be updated with a
> > semi-standard procedure to follow ?
> >
> > Something on the lines ... you need this basic code <LINK> .. and patch
> > it with this diff file <LINK>.
> >
> > Nothing too complex! I'm just like Ian. Been following development on
> > this card for almost a year now, and I click on every HVR4000 related
> > mail hoping to see ISSUES RESOLVED, especially since the card should now
> > practically work!
> >
> > Having said that .... BIG Thanks for all the hard work all developers
> > put into it!
> >
> > On Jan 16, 2008 3:28 AM, Steven Toth <stoth at linuxtv.org
> > <mailto:stoth at linuxtv.org>> wrote:
> >
> >     Ian Bonham wrote:
> >      > Steve,
> >      >
> >      > Is there anything that can be done now to progress the dev of
> this
> >      > driver and the facilities of this card? I remember clearly the
> >      > disagreements that occured, and it was hugely depressing. What
> >     would be
> >      > needed now to encorage development?
> >      >
> >      > Ian
> >      >
> >      >
> >      > On 15/01/2008, *Steven Toth* <stoth at linuxtv.org
> >     <mailto:stoth at linuxtv.org>
> >      > <mailto:stoth at linuxtv.org <mailto:stoth at linuxtv.org>>> wrote:
> >      >
> >      >     Hans Werner wrote:
> >      >      > -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> >      >      >> Datum: Tue, 15 Jan 2008 16:18:11 +0300
> >      >      >> Von: Igor < goga777 at bk.ru <mailto:goga777 at bk.ru>
> >     <mailto:goga777 at bk.ru <mailto:goga777 at bk.ru>>>
> >      >      >> An: linux-dvb at linuxtv.org <mailto:linux-dvb at linuxtv.org>
> >     <mailto: linux-dvb at linuxtv.org <mailto:linux-dvb at linuxtv.org>>
> >      >      >> Betreff: Re: [linux-dvb] HVR-4000
> >      >      >
> >      >      >>> b)explain how and when all the pieces of DVB-S2-relevant
> >     code
> >      >     will be
> >      >      >> merged into the kernel and dvb-apps.
> >      >      >>
> >      >      >> ahh, I think nobody knows the answer on this question.
> >      >      >>
> >      >      >> Igor
> >      >      >>
> >      >      >>
> >      >      >
> >      >      > I have read the previous correspondence on this issue.
> >     There is
> >      >     considerable working code so I would like to hear from the
> >      >      > maintainer(s) where we go from here. It's 2008 already.
> >      >
> >      >     You might want to cc the maintainer if you expect a response.
> :)
> >      >
> >      >     The driver was written during 2006 and for various technical
> >     reasons
> >      >     could not be fully merged into the kernel. This lead to a
> major
> >      >     conflict
> >      >     between kernel developers. As a result of a major
> >     disagreement I took
> >      >     down my development trees and instructed Mauro not to merge
> >     my code with
> >      >     my agreement.
> >      >
> >      >     A few trusted members of the community have taken the
> >     previously public
> >      >     tree and patched it and made it available for download, which
> >     is well
> >      >     within the license agreement.
> >      >
> >      >     The HVR4000 driver isn't going anywhere soon, it isn't going
> >     to be
> >      >     official merged anytime soon. I made myself clear a few
> >     months ago
> >      >     during the heated multiproto debate.
> >      >
> >      >     That's where we stand today.
> >      >
> >      >     - Steve
> >
> >     Ian,
> >
> >     It's times like this when I find myself re-writing emails multiple
> >     times, trying to find the right words and facts to reflect the true
> >     situation, not an emotional response.
> >
> >     How do I start? Hmm, well....
> >
> >     I hear you.
> >
> >     Background: The HVR4000 patches are based on the Multiproto patches.
> >
> >     You should probably recognize that the situation has always been
> outside
> >     of my control. I've tried to urge multiproto forward many times and
> in
> >     the end, driven by pure frustration, both Manu and I argued
> publically,
> >     it got personal and everyone walked away badly burned.
> >
> >     No heroes. No villains. No right, no wrong.
> >
> >     It was obvious to me that I could not influence the situation. In
> >     response I took my development trees down and stated that I no
> longer
> >     supported multiproto.
> >
> >     What's my position now? I'll review the HVR4000 situation when Manu
> >     gives the S-O-B for his patches and they are merged by Mauro into
> >     master.
> >
> >     What should the community do? You could raise the subject with Manu.
> >
> >     No multiproto in the master = no HVR4000 S2 in the master.
> >
> >     - Steve
>
> Hi,
>
> I assume this suggestion was posted to the mailing list as a group,
> rather than directly to me. Specifically, it should be aimed at the
> people who are already producing hierarchies of patches on top of
> multiproto, HVR4000 and various other things.
>
> That isn't me, and I didn't want you to be waiting for a non-reply from
> me.
>
> Darron has being doing a great job at kewl.org (?), he may be able to
> help.
>
> - Steve
>



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