[vdr] diseqc relay cascade

Timothy D. Lenz tlenz at vorgon.com
Mon Aug 30 18:38:15 CEST 2010


Yea, what you have is the standard switch and I think it is what is 
called uncommitted, but not sure. So what you would need is a committed. 
Basicly, you need one that is a different address and only responds to 
that address. How many more ports do you need?

OH, and watch out for 1x8 switches. They combine tone with standard 1x4 
which won't work for you since you need to use tone for band selection.

Here are some links I found with google.

http://www.techwatch.co.uk/forums/17311-8-way-lnb-switch.html
http://www.techwatch.co.uk/forums/16267-daisy-chaining-diseqc-switches.html
http://www.satelliteguys.us/free-air-fta-discussion/71478-possible-daisy-chain-diseqc.html
http://www.satellites.co.uk/forums/multi-receiver-tv-systems-domestic-only/153413-multiswitch-vs-diseqc-switch.html


On 8/30/2010 1:28 AM, Jiri Jansky wrote:
> Hi,
> I tried make diseqc command shorter. First function resolution is
>
> S23.5E 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 F0] W15 t
> S23.5E 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 F1] W15 T
> S23.5E 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 F2] W15 t
> S23.5E 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 F3] W15 T
> S19.2E 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 F4] W15 t
> S19.2E 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 F5] W15 T
> S19.2E 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 F6] W15 t
> S19.2E 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 F7] W15 T
> S13.0E 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 F8] W15 t
> S13.0E 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 F9] W15 T
> S13.0E 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 FA] W15 t
> S13.0E 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 FB] W15 T
> S1.0W 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 FC] W15 t
> S1.0W 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 FD] W15 T
> S1.0W 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 FE] W15 t
> S1.0W 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 FF] W15 T
>
> I tried to modified it if it will behave as you swith and I was su
> successful:
>
> S23.5E 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 F0] W15 t
> S23.5E 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 F0] W15 T
> S23.5E 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 F0] W15 t
> S23.5E 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 F0] W15 T
> S19.2E 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 F4] W15 t
> S19.2E 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 F4] W15 T
> S19.2E 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 F4] W15 t
> S19.2E 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 F4] W15 T
> S13.0E 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 F8] W15 t
> S13.0E 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 F8] W15 T
> S13.0E 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 F8] W15 t
> S13.0E 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 F8] W15 T
> S1.0W 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 FC] W15 t
> S1.0W 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 FC] W15 T
> S1.0W 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 FC] W15 t
> S1.0W 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 FC] W15 T
>
> So, it seams that I have same switch as you. And it seams, that few last
> bits of last byte isn't important for diseqc switch.
>
> So can I still use it to cascade?
>
> I think, that one solution how use it this switch is buy another
> uncommitted diseqc switch. I tried to find it using google, but I found
> only uncommitted 16 input switch. Is here another (cheaper) solution
> that buy this 16 input switch and substitute 4 input switch with it?
>
> Thanks
> Jiri Jansky
>
>
> Timothy D. Lenz napsal(a):
>> After looking back at the specs I am a bit confuse about "commited"
>> and "uncommited" also. I thought a standard port was uncommited, but
>> 38 is what I have been using. Someone else may need to jump in, but
>> the 4 commands for the 4 ports for my switch are
>>
>> [E0 10 38 F0]
>> [E0 10 38 F4]
>> [E0 10 38 F8]
>> [E0 10 38 FC]
>>
>> The chart in the pdf for yours indicates maybe F0,F1,F2,F3 is correct
>> for yours. you will have to just test and see.
>>
>> As for the stacking, Looks like you have "universal" lnb. They cover a
>> wider band then a standard and do it in 2 steps. It should have a
>> 22Khz switch built in and you select between lo and hi with the tone
>> command (t/T) wwhich you have at the end of your lines.
>>
>> Horizontal and vertical polarities are selected with the voltage
>> (v/V). Band stacked LNBs switch by changing the local oscillator only.
>> You don't have a BS lnb. I would recommend simplifying your commands
>> and first working out which address are used (0,4,8,C or 0,1,2,3).
>> Then if you have problems with it not always switching, you look at
>> repeating the commands.
>>
>> S23.5E 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 F0] W15 t
>> S23.5E 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 F4] W15 T
>> S23.5E 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 F8] W15 t
>> S23.5E 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 FC] W15 T
>>
>> Also, S23.5E ?? You can't see that sat from north america. The best
>> you could hope for is around 30-40w to around 150-160w and that is iffy.
>>
>> On 8/27/2010 4:20 AM, Jiri Jansky wrote:
>>> Hi,
>>> I read "Bus specification" http://www.eutelsat.com/satellites/4_5_5.html
>>> and it isn't still clear for me.
>>> My diseqc.conf file is slightly different from your example, so I
>>> attached it to this mail.
>>> There is example, where mini A and mini B command is used. But i didn't
>>> find anything about this command in eutelsat documentation nor source
>>> code (these commands are implemented as ioctl() in fronted source code
>>> module).
>>>
>>>
>>> Timothy D. Lenz napsal(a):
>>>> Not sure if this is what you mean, But for an example, The dishnetwork
>>>> dual lnb has a switch in it and responds to F1/F5 vs a standard switch
>>>> which would be F0/F4. The standard switch will only respond to F0/F4
>>>> while I think the DN switch will respond to ether set. So Putting a DN
>>>> dual LNB on a standard 1x4 switch woudl look like this:
>>>>
>>>> S110.0W 99999 R 11250 t V W15 [E0 10 38 F4] W25 [E0 11 38 F5]
>>>> S110.0W 99999 L 14350 t V W15 [E0 10 38 F4] W25 [E0 11 38 F5]
>>> I don't understand why in our example F4 is port number, but in my
>>> config file the last number is incrementig with next
>>> polarizationo/highband:
>>> S23.5E 11700 V 9750 t v [E0 10 38 F0] W15 [E1 10 38 F0] W15 [E1 10 38
>>> F0] W15 t
>>> S23.5E 99999 V 10600 t v [E0 10 38 F1] W15 [E1 10 38 F1] W15 [E1 10 38
>>> F1] W15 T
>>> S23.5E 11700 H 9750 t V [E0 10 38 F2] W15 [E1 10 38 F2] W15 [E1 10 38
>>> F2] W15 t
>>> S23.5E 99999 H 10600 t V [E0 10 38 F3] W15 [E1 10 38 F3] W15 [E1 10 38
>>> F3] W15 T
>>> I would supposed, that if it's connected to one diseqc relay input, that
>>> there will by same number everywhere.
>>>
>>>
>>>> Because this is for a band stacked DishPro LNB, you change the LO to
>>>> select R/L and keep the voltage up. E0 10 38 F4 is the command for a
>>>> standard 1x4 switch to use the second port (ports are FO, F4, F8, FC).
>>>> Then you have a short pause to allow time for the first switch to
>>>> select that port. Then you send the second command. Not also the "t"
>>>> for tone control. You can stack a tone switch in also. Have it select
>>>> between one of 2 1x4 switches to get you 8 ports. You can only have 1
>>>> tome switch in any given path because they can not be addressed. Ether
>>>> you send tone or you don't.
>>> How can I use tone to stack switch(how to write diseqc.conf line)?
>>> According eutelsat documentation tone is send after binary command in
>>> bracket.
>>>
>>> Now, I have 4 input diseqc switch controlled by line in attached
>>> diseqc.conf file. According manufacturer
>>> (http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?page=products&id_kateg=5&id_pkateg=19&id=62)
>>>
>>> this switch is controlled from a receiver with "Position" and "Option"
>>> commands. According table in chapter 8.3. Command Byte of eutelsat
>>> docuemntation positon and option commands are numberes 22, 23, 26, 27.
>>> But these commands aren't use in my diseqc. Instead it is used 38
>>> command which mean "write too commited switches". But again I don't know
>>> what is "commited" and "uncommited" switch.
>>>
>>>> To stack switches you need what is called committed switches for the
>>>> secondary switch. They us a different address. If additional switches
>>>> are needed, make sure each in the string will pass commands not
>>>> addressed to them. As far as I know they all should.
>>>
>>> So, I have commited switch (and don't know what is mean). Now i want to
>>> buy one two-input-diseqc-relay and put it between dvb-s card and
>>> four_input-diseqc relay. Which one two-input-diseqc-relay I should buy?
>>> The one controlled by position, or one controlled by option
>>> (http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?page=products&id_kateg=5&id_pkateg=19&id=61)?
>>>
>>> And how diseqc.conf line will look like? And how to not interference
>>> with postiono/option command of four-input-diseqc-relay? I can buy this
>>> one
>>> two-input-diseqc-relay(http://www.emp-centauri.cz/products.php?page=products&id_kateg=5&id_pkateg=15&id=238),
>>>
>>> that can be controlled by postion or tone-burst commad. But still don't
>>> know, how to write diseqc line for it and how to don't interference with
>>> position command of four-input diseqc-relay with position commad of this
>>> two-input-relay.
>>>
>>> Can anybody help me with this questions?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On 8/18/2010 6:40 AM, Jiri Jansky wrote:
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>> I read, that is posible connect diseqc relay to cascade (one two input
>>>>> relay and two four input relay for example). I read that not all
>>>>> receiver are able to use it (linux based, like dreambox are).
>>>>> I would like to setup one two input relay and one four input relay to
>>>>> get five input for convertor in VDR. Is anybody familier with
>>>>> diseqc.conf and Can you help me how to set it up? Now, I use four
>>>>> input
>>>>> relay only, but I don't know what number in diseqc.conf file mean.
>>>>>
>>>>> If this will be posible I would like to use diseqc relay input to
>>>>> often
>>>>> watched tv stations and motor to rotate whole dish to different
>>>>> postion
>>>>> for experimentation and use only central converter for watching. Would
>>>>> be possible to use VDR for this purpose too?
>>>>>
>>>>> Thans for your advise
>>>>> Jiri Jansky
>>>>>
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