[linux-dvb] AW: Re: DVB driver for B2C2 based budget cards (such as Technisat SkyStar 2)

["Torsten Schlabach" <tschlabach@gmx.net>]

Are they?
It was my impression that they just started all over the place and I see
new ones every day. My guess was that in places especially like the
booming economies of eastern Europe (at least 50% of them are within the
footprint of Astra) this service was rocketing. I would not want to try
to get DSL in a country like the Ukraine or Romania unless I live in the
capital, probably in a district where international companies or the
government is located nearby.
But even in Germany Deutsche Telekom and Teles AG (Strato) are heavily
promoting the service to people in the eastern parts of Germany. The
problem they have there in a number of places is that after the reunion
Deutsche Telekom installed fibre (not copper) right into a lot of
houses. But you cannot do DSL on fibre ...
Pricing for the SkyDSL service is identical to that of land-line DSL.
But still I would like to understand how they solve the bandwidth issue.
Strato promises their customers 4 Mbit/s download. So if they had only
1000 customers they'd need 4 GBit/s of capacity. And they are only one
of may 20 providers I know of in Europe. How much download capacity does
that fleet of about 10 Astra satellites have beside all the TV and radio
services they carry.
(Serious answer by anyone who knows the satellite business would be
welcome.)

Torsten

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Von: linux-dvb-bounce@linuxtv.org [mailto:linux-dvb-bounce@linuxtv.org]
Im Auftrag von Felix Domke
Gesendet: Freitag, 31. Januar 2003 09:05
An: Miernik
Cc: linux-dvb@linuxtv.org
Betreff: [linux-dvb] Re: DVB driver for B2C2 based budget cards (such as
Technisat SkyStar 2)

Miernik wrote:
> BTW: I just had a great idea for all GNU community to benefit from: 
 > [...]
> I have looked at the statistics, and all the groups there take only 11

> kbps in total, it will be probably a little larger when new groups are

> added, so a 16 kbps will be enough. It should not cost more than 100 
> EUR monthly to multicast that. And one multicast would supply it all 
> for whole Europe. A second multicast on a different satellite would be

> needed for America, and maybe a third one for Asia. We could look for 
> some sponsor, or even collect money from GNU users and developers, for

> example 1 EUR monthly for each user. The fee would not be mandatory, 
> but I am sure that there would eaisly be 100 people who would pay 
> 1 EUR monthly for this service to run.
> What do you think? Ability to receive all mailing lists in real-time 
> for 1 EUR monthly?

It costs more than 100 Euro, it's more in the region of 5000 Euro if i 
remember correctly.


However, the idea is nice i already thought about something like this. 
Maybe it's possible if you have the right contacts, but unless you want 
to spend BIG money there is no way.

Even the carriage of the data to the uplink isn't trivial.

Maybe it's possible to work together with an IP-over-DVB provider, but 
they are all dying (guess why :)

On the other hand: How many traffic (= $$$) could be saved if ONE 
provider establish an usenet->astra/hotbird/whatever feed and everybody 
would be using that? or is such a thing already existing?

Problem would be, as always, encryption, since shared-secrets will never

really work.

felix



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