[vdr] Re: Will these work for linux?

["William E. Mrozinski" <wem@dcshome.com>]

Here are the two gotcha's:

DISH uses a proprietary version of Nagravision, not
generic...

Every DISH box made has an internal serial number in
firmware that is keyed with the card assigned to you.  So
to do this you need to use the registered DISH card in
your CAM ( no one has ever even tried this much of the
process to my knowledge ) and the support code for the CAM
must allow for providing the box key value to be used in
the decrypt.  Oh yeah, getting to the box key involves a
major hack to the registered box with probable risk of
destruction of the box if not done perfectly.  There's
more, but this was enough to send me looking for something
else to do(g)...

Unless you're a glutton for punishment or on an unlimited
budget these things have prevented anyone that I know of
from making this fly...

Sorry for the reality check, but I just couldn't watch you
swinging in the wind any more...(g)

    Bill

Stan Moon wrote:

> --- Reiner Rosin <rosinr@web.de> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > > Will these work for linux?
> > >
> > > http://www.digicams-uk.com/prod1767.htm
> > > http://www.satellitesuperstore.com/cams.htm
> > >
> > > all these do is plug into the DVB-s PCI cards and
> > > read you CIM, or that subscription card anyway,
> > right?
> > >  If so I can make a DVR here in the US with Dish
> > > Networks service, right?  I'll subscribe, I'm not
> > > getting channels illegaly.  I just need to know
> > this
> > > stuff before I order, 'cause I don't think it will
> > be
> > > easy to send back since it's all in Europe.  Also,
> > I
> > > noticed these plug into the DVB-c cards, do they
> > make
> > > a DVB-s card like that?  If not how to I connect
> > them
> > > to the DVB-s card?
> >
> > I think there are three parts to answer your
> > question:
> > 1) Technically these CAMs will work in the
> > CI-Interface
> > of a DVBs-Card, so this will work.
> > 2) Support of nagravision cams by the convergence
> > DVB
> > driver. As you can see on
> > http://www.linuxdvb.tv/documentation/cim.html
> > nobody reported about a nagravision cam under linux,
> > so
> > this question can't be answered ... but perhaps
> > someone on
> > the list is already using such a cam?
> > 3) Most serious part is the nagravision stuff on
> > DISH Network's
> > side ... AFAIK they use a crippled version of the
> > nagravision
> > system which will only work with their own boxes,
> > but I
> > assume that DISH Network can answer this question
> >
> > To use a CAM with with a DVBs or a DVBc you need an
> > additional CI-Inferface which is about 70-80 USD.
> > This interface
> > is the same for the cable and satellite version of
> > the DVB-card
> > (only the old SIEMENS DVBc board uses another type
> > of
> > CI-Interface).
> >
> > best regards,
> > reiner
>
> Hmm, I might try the software side first, just get the
> DVB-s card and try it out, I'll obviously have a box
> when I subscribe (I'm going to try a friends service,
> I have cable right now, but if it works they bye-bye
> cable:)
>
> But even after that I'll like to get a cam, and I'm
> sure more people in the US will try this out, someone
> is bound to find it out for me.
>
> The CI-Interface don't actually use the PCI slot they
> take up, right?  They are a PCI card but no
> connectors, it's just a convenient place to put it in
> your pc I hope, because I'm going to use a mini-atx
> board and I'm kinda crunched on PCI slots, so I can
> right up the CI-Interface just inside my case
> somewhere I hope.
>
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