[linux-dvb] [Em28xx] MPL-licensed V4L kernel modules (em2880)
mrechberger at gmail.com
Wed Jul 11 18:36:06 CEST 2007
On 7/11/07, Johannes Stezenbach <js at linuxtv.org> wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 11, 2007 at 05:18:35PM +0200, Markus Rechberger wrote:
> > Remember all that code could have been in the kernel for around 1 year
> > without breaking any device if these few core people (and there are
> > really only very few ones <5) wouldn't have tried to hit it down.
> This "the bad linuxtv guys blocked my drivers for years"
> allegation is unsubstancial as I tried to show in
"A few people offered to help you" is the same as:
A few people (especially the ones which are mentioned later) partly
don't have a good overview about everything, and/or neither do they
care about several requirements which are needed to get something work
And these cool people would just work on the core and tell me that I
have to redo the code by myself and put all the work back to me just
because they're incapable of working together at all ... and hey we
had exactly the same situation 1 year ago and the only one who
seriously tried to get forward was Mauro. A few people like to hide
themself between their great DVB Code and try to play the masters here
which is not acceptable.
How comes that Manu tells me that he won't ask Mauro that he should
push any of his code? Great community.
> IMHO it is your inability to make compromises and work with
> the community which blocked the merge. Issues don't just
> magically resolve all by themselves if you just wait long enough.
> Your attempts to force the merge with flames and ultimatums
> (yes, plural) failed. Surprise, surprise...
> > I'm sure the project would go on way faster if everyone who has never
> > investigated the dvb core project and who has no experience with that
> > piece of code (and writing a dvb driver doesn't shed much light about
> > the dvb framework) would just stay out of everything.
> You think you're the only competent programmer, and everyone
> who dares to have different opinions just gets in the
> way and holds you up? Check this out:
For example you (first trying to help, afterwards doing nothing),
* Manu Abraham (who has his project split from the maintree for a very
long time too),
* Marcel Siegert (who listens to other people's opinion and didn't
even spend a minute on thinking by himself how to find a solution)
* Oliver Endris, did some tests and afterwards denied the merge
because he found a bug which got resolved right after he reported it.
There were a few options, freeze the development of v4l-dvb merge in
that code and fix whatever someone thinks he has to fix; there are
many requirements covered within that code and all you guys did is to
ignore it and nothing else.. Manu came up with something and didn't
even talk to me about it if it would be ok with the work I've done and
guess what he didn't even cover all the requirements which are already
Now, all the other developers are far away from such a misbehaviour.
> > It's now about 14.000 lines of code, around 7000 inkernel lines, and I
> > haven't received _any_ participation request of any developer and all
> > you get if you ask people to join the project is that they are busy
> > with their work (which is ok) but then don't try to manipulate someone
> > else's work in the end.
> > Nothing is getting better here if linuxtv.org people don't work together.
> If I look at hg or git logs I get the impression that the
> community still works.
as long as they don't cross the mind of people which are mentioned
right above. But as you wrote earlier "guess what the issues are still
> > Companies will for sure not like to rely on such a mess where finally
> > a few wannabes try to play the smart guys and are responsible that
> > support for alot devices won't get into the kernel.
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