I've read that ITV HD can only be viewd by pressing the red button on a Freesat receiver. Does this mean VDR can't access it?
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:10 +0100, Tony Houghton wrote:
I've read that ITV HD can only be viewd by pressing the red button on a Freesat receiver. Does this mean VDR can't access it?
It seems very unlikely. Red Button services merely act as a GUI frontend to the raw streams.. e.g. the 'News Multiscreen' support on Freeview was like for ages. There was a MPEG2 stream on one of the BBC's muxes which looked like this
---------------------------- | | | ######## | | ########### ######## | | ########### ######## | | ########### | | ########### ######## | | ########### ######## | | ######## | | | ---------------------------
Everything was black except for the # areas..
The BBC showed two News24 reels on the right, and BBC Parliament on the left. If you had the correct Vid and Aud PIDs you could see this raw feed. the 'Red Button' stuff just showed graphics to cover up the part you shouldn't have been able to see :)
In short, no. Hidden PIDs can be easily found by analysing the bitrates of each PID in a transport stream.
gdh
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:10 +0100, Tony Houghton wrote:
I've read that ITV HD can only be viewd by pressing the red button on a Freesat receiver. Does this mean VDR can't access it?
VDR works fine with ITV HD since day 1 of broadcast - just put this in your channels.conf: -
ITV HD;BSkyB:11428:hO0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402:0:0:54207:0:0:0
Enjoy,
Morfsta
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:57:45 +0000 Morfsta morfsta@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:10 +0100, Tony Houghton wrote:
I've read that ITV HD can only be viewd by pressing the red button on a Freesat receiver. Does this mean VDR can't access it?
VDR works fine with ITV HD since day 1 of broadcast - just put this in your channels.conf: -
ITV HD;BSkyB:11428:hO0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402:0:0:54207:0:0:0
There's something wrong with that line:
Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] loading /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: unknown parameter key 'O' Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: error in /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf, li+ne 61 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: remote Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: xineliboutput Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] max. latency time 0 seconds Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] exiting, exit code 2 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc runvdr: stopping after fatal fail (vdr: error while reading+ '/var/lib/vdr/channels.conf')
Hi
The line is :
Itv hd;BSkyB:11426:hC23M2O0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402=eng:0:0:10510:0:0:0
Currently it broadcast Star wars
Best regards
Selon Tony Houghton h@realh.co.uk:
On Tue, 28 Oct 2008 16:57:45 +0000 Morfsta morfsta@gmail.com wrote:
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:10 +0100, Tony Houghton wrote:
I've read that ITV HD can only be viewd by pressing the red button on a Freesat receiver. Does this mean VDR can't access it?
VDR works fine with ITV HD since day 1 of broadcast - just put this in your channels.conf: -
ITV HD;BSkyB:11428:hO0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402:0:0:54207:0:0:0
There's something wrong with that line:
Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] loading /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: unknown parameter key 'O' Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: error in /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf, li+ne 61 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: remote Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: xineliboutput Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] max. latency time 0 seconds Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] exiting, exit code 2 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc runvdr: stopping after fatal fail (vdr: error while reading+ '/var/lib/vdr/channels.conf')
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On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:10 +0100, Tony Houghton wrote:
I've read that ITV HD can only be viewd by pressing the red button on a Freesat receiver. Does this mean VDR can't access it?
VDR works fine with ITV HD since day 1 of broadcast - just put this in your channels.conf: -
ITV HD;BSkyB:11428:hO0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402:0:0:54207:0:0:0
There's something wrong with that line:
Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] loading /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: unknown parameter key 'O' Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: error in /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf, li+ne 61 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: remote Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: xineliboutput Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] max. latency time 0 seconds Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] exiting, exit code 2 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc runvdr: stopping after fatal fail (vdr: error while reading+ '/var/lib/vdr/channels.conf')
which version of vdr do you use ? O - it's new parameter for channels.conf implemented in recent vdr version.
Goga
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:06:02 +0300 Goga777 goga777@bk.ru wrote:
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:10 +0100, Tony Houghton wrote:
I've read that ITV HD can only be viewd by pressing the red button on a Freesat receiver. Does this mean VDR can't access it?
VDR works fine with ITV HD since day 1 of broadcast - just put this in your channels.conf: -
ITV HD;BSkyB:11428:hO0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402:0:0:54207:0:0:0
There's something wrong with that line:
Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] loading /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: unknown parameter key 'O' Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: error in /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf, li+ne 61 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: remote Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: xineliboutput Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] max. latency time 0 seconds Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] exiting, exit code 2 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc runvdr: stopping after fatal fail (vdr: error while reading+ '/var/lib/vdr/channels.conf')
which version of vdr do you use ? O - it's new parameter for channels.conf implemented in recent vdr version.
I'm using VDR 1.6.0. Is there a way of modifying one of these entries for 1.6.0? I tried the one that dplu@free.fr gave me:
Itv hd;BSkyB:11426:hC23M2O0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402=eng:0:0:10510:0:0:0
With that VDR starts, but there is no picture on ITV HD (there was sound earlier, but now that's gone too, perhaps because there's currently a news update on ITV1). There is a new error message in syslog:
ERROR: invalid value for parameter 'M'.
The line I gave is for VDR 1.7.0 native (multiproto plus) plus patch S H264 .. and no more addons
If you have no images, check if VDR did not update the channel automatically and put zero on VPID .. If the option setup/dvb card/ update channels is ON or "update PID" or "update name" etc , set it to off and reset channel to VPID 3401 and PPID to 3401 too
ITV HD broadcast with a special video PID and VDR is not able to catch it so jerk setup every time .. there is no update for this channel from a long time ITV broadcast a "service not available" when there is nothing to watch, so you can setup easyly your vdr
Best regards
Selon Tony Houghton h@realh.co.uk:
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 20:06:02 +0300 Goga777 goga777@bk.ru wrote:
On Fri, 2008-10-24 at 14:10 +0100, Tony Houghton wrote:
I've read that ITV HD can only be viewd by pressing the red button
on a
Freesat receiver. Does this mean VDR can't access it?
VDR works fine with ITV HD since day 1 of broadcast - just put this in your channels.conf: -
ITV HD;BSkyB:11428:hO0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402:0:0:54207:0:0:0
There's something wrong with that line:
Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] loading /var/lib/vdr/channels.conf Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: unknown parameter key 'O' Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] ERROR: error in
/var/lib/vdr/channels.conf, li+ne 61
Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: remote Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] deleting plugin: xineliboutput Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] max. latency time 0 seconds Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc vdr: [18332] exiting, exit code 2 Nov 30 16:19:10 htpc runvdr: stopping after fatal fail (vdr: error while
reading+ '/var/lib/vdr/channels.conf')
which version of vdr do you use ? O - it's new parameter for channels.conf
implemented in recent vdr version.
I'm using VDR 1.6.0. Is there a way of modifying one of these entries for 1.6.0? I tried the one that dplu@free.fr gave me:
Itv hd;BSkyB:11426:hC23M2O0S0:S28.2E:27500:3401:0;3402=eng:0:0:10510:0:0:0
With that VDR starts, but there is no picture on ITV HD (there was sound earlier, but now that's gone too, perhaps because there's currently a news update on ITV1). There is a new error message in syslog:
ERROR: invalid value for parameter 'M'.
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:05:28 +0100 dplu@free.fr wrote:
The line I gave is for VDR 1.7.0 native (multiproto plus) plus patch S H264 .. and no more addons
If you have no images, check if VDR did not update the channel automatically and put zero on VPID .. If the option setup/dvb card/ update channels is ON or "update PID" or "update name" etc , set it to off and reset channel to VPID 3401 and PPID to 3401 too
ITV HD broadcast with a special video PID and VDR is not able to catch it so jerk setup every time .. there is no update for this channel from a long time ITV broadcast a "service not available" when there is nothing to watch, so you can setup easyly your vdr
OK, that seems to be what happened. I just about get sound and picture, but not usable, because nothing but libxine recognises the stream and it will only use one CPU core regardless of the ffmpeg_thread_count setting. Perhaps it uses libx264 directly?
Hi
I have tried to record "Kingdom" broadcasted on HD but even if I can watch it without problem "live" ( VDR 1.7.7+ Xine 0.9.2 + VDPau), the recording is zero size
Is it the fact the video PID is non standard and VDR don't know how to record it (considering it is not video) ?
By the way, recording of BBC HD or Anixe HD is nice at the same time ..
Is there also a patch to prevent VDR to set video PID to zero when using the option setup/DVB card/update name + Pids
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Le Sunday 30 November 2008 19:29:43 Tony Houghton, vous avez écrit :
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:05:28 +0100
dplu@free.fr wrote:
The line I gave is for VDR 1.7.0 native (multiproto plus) plus patch S H264 .. and no more addons
If you have no images, check if VDR did not update the channel automatically and put zero on VPID .. If the option setup/dvb card/ update channels is ON or "update PID" or "update name" etc , set it to off and reset channel to VPID 3401 and PPID to 3401 too
ITV HD broadcast with a special video PID and VDR is not able to catch it so jerk setup every time .. there is no update for this channel from a long time ITV broadcast a "service not available" when there is nothing to watch, so you can setup easyly your vdr
OK, that seems to be what happened. I just about get sound and picture, but not usable, because nothing but libxine recognises the stream and it will only use one CPU core regardless of the ffmpeg_thread_count setting. Perhaps it uses libx264 directly?
On 14.06.2009 22:49, dplu wrote:
Hi
I have tried to record "Kingdom" broadcasted on HD but even if I can watch it without problem "live" ( VDR 1.7.7+ Xine 0.9.2 + VDPau), the recording is zero size
Is it the fact the video PID is non standard and VDR don't know how to record it (considering it is not video) ?
What does this mean, "the video PID is non standard"?
Klaus
By the way, recording of BBC HD or Anixe HD is nice at the same time ..
Is there also a patch to prevent VDR to set video PID to zero when using the option setup/DVB card/update name + Pids
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Le Sunday 30 November 2008 19:29:43 Tony Houghton, vous avez écrit :
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:05:28 +0100
dplu@free.fr wrote:
The line I gave is for VDR 1.7.0 native (multiproto plus) plus patch S H264 .. and no more addons
If you have no images, check if VDR did not update the channel automatically and put zero on VPID .. If the option setup/dvb card/ update channels is ON or "update PID" or "update name" etc , set it to off and reset channel to VPID 3401 and PPID to 3401 too
ITV HD broadcast with a special video PID and VDR is not able to catch it so jerk setup every time .. there is no update for this channel from a long time ITV broadcast a "service not available" when there is nothing to watch, so you can setup easyly your vdr
OK, that seems to be what happened. I just about get sound and picture, but not usable, because nothing but libxine recognises the stream and it will only use one CPU core regardless of the ffmpeg_thread_count setting. Perhaps it uses libx264 directly?
Hi Klaus, I suppose that the PID is not defined as "video" in the stream. I am not an expert but if you let "update PID automatically" on VDR Setup , the VPID and PPID fall to zero, if you disable this update and set manually information you can watch the channel but no recording possible This is also indicated on kingofsat : ITV HD 28.5E 11426H http://en.kingofsat.net/hdtv.php?&standard=All&ordre=freq&filtre... Thanks for your help
Dom
Le Sunday 21 June 2009 16:30:15 Klaus Schmidinger, vous avez écrit :
On 14.06.2009 22:49, dplu wrote:
Hi
I have tried to record "Kingdom" broadcasted on HD but even if I can watch it without problem "live" ( VDR 1.7.7+ Xine 0.9.2 + VDPau), the recording is zero size
Is it the fact the video PID is non standard and VDR don't know how to record it (considering it is not video) ?
What does this mean, "the video PID is non standard"?
Klaus
By the way, recording of BBC HD or Anixe HD is nice at the same time ..
Is there also a patch to prevent VDR to set video PID to zero when using the option setup/DVB card/update name + Pids
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Le Sunday 30 November 2008 19:29:43 Tony Houghton, vous avez écrit :
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:05:28 +0100
dplu@free.fr wrote:
The line I gave is for VDR 1.7.0 native (multiproto plus) plus patch S H264 .. and no more addons
If you have no images, check if VDR did not update the channel automatically and put zero on VPID .. If the option setup/dvb card/ update channels is ON or "update PID" or "update name" etc , set it to off and reset channel to VPID 3401 and PPID to 3401 too
ITV HD broadcast with a special video PID and VDR is not able to catch it so jerk setup every time .. there is no update for this channel from a long time ITV broadcast a "service not available" when there is nothing to watch, so you can setup easyly your vdr
OK, that seems to be what happened. I just about get sound and picture, but not usable, because nothing but libxine recognises the stream and it will only use one CPU core regardless of the ffmpeg_thread_count setting. Perhaps it uses libx264 directly?
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On 21.06.2009 17:11, dplu wrote:
Hi Klaus, I suppose that the PID is not defined as "video" in the stream. I am not an expert but if you let "update PID automatically" on VDR Setup , the VPID and PPID fall to zero, if you disable this update and set manually information you can watch the channel but no recording possible This is also indicated on kingofsat : ITV HD 28.5E 11426H http://en.kingofsat.net/hdtv.php?&standard=All&ordre=freq&filtre...
Well, if they don't broadcast their Vpid in the SI data, how is a receiver supposed to know what to receive?
Maybe you should complain to the broadcaster about this.
Klaus
Le Sunday 21 June 2009 16:30:15 Klaus Schmidinger, vous avez écrit :
On 14.06.2009 22:49, dplu wrote:
Hi
I have tried to record "Kingdom" broadcasted on HD but even if I can watch it without problem "live" ( VDR 1.7.7+ Xine 0.9.2 + VDPau), the recording is zero size
Is it the fact the video PID is non standard and VDR don't know how to record it (considering it is not video) ?
What does this mean, "the video PID is non standard"?
Klaus
By the way, recording of BBC HD or Anixe HD is nice at the same time ..
Is there also a patch to prevent VDR to set video PID to zero when using the option setup/DVB card/update name + Pids
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Le Sunday 30 November 2008 19:29:43 Tony Houghton, vous avez écrit :
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:05:28 +0100
dplu@free.fr wrote:
The line I gave is for VDR 1.7.0 native (multiproto plus) plus patch S H264 .. and no more addons
If you have no images, check if VDR did not update the channel automatically and put zero on VPID .. If the option setup/dvb card/ update channels is ON or "update PID" or "update name" etc , set it to off and reset channel to VPID 3401 and PPID to 3401 too
ITV HD broadcast with a special video PID and VDR is not able to catch it so jerk setup every time .. there is no update for this channel from a long time ITV broadcast a "service not available" when there is nothing to watch, so you can setup easyly your vdr
OK, that seems to be what happened. I just about get sound and picture, but not usable, because nothing but libxine recognises the stream and it will only use one CPU core regardless of the ffmpeg_thread_count setting. Perhaps it uses libx264 directly?
I am a french user so I enjoy this channel without fees (the charm of receving)
Inside the freesat system, english user may have to press the "red button" for interactive service to go trough the HD version for some programs , it means the micro-program of receiver know how to do that
It is not very important, my HD receiver know how to receive it. I'll prefer to have all in VDR but there are more important thing to do , I was hoping some english VDR users had published a patch but it seems not
Have nice holidays and enjoy :o))
Thanks for the good work
Dom
Le Sunday 21 June 2009 17:25:16 Klaus Schmidinger, vous avez écrit :
On 21.06.2009 17:11, dplu wrote:
Hi Klaus, I suppose that the PID is not defined as "video" in the stream. I am not an expert but if you let "update PID automatically" on VDR Setup , the VPID and PPID fall to zero, if you disable this update and set manually information you can watch the channel but no recording possible This is also indicated on kingofsat : ITV HD 28.5E 11426H http://en.kingofsat.net/hdtv.php?&standard=All&ordre=freq&filtre...
Well, if they don't broadcast their Vpid in the SI data, how is a receiver supposed to know what to receive?
Maybe you should complain to the broadcaster about this.
Klaus
Le Sunday 21 June 2009 16:30:15 Klaus Schmidinger, vous avez écrit :
On 14.06.2009 22:49, dplu wrote:
Hi
I have tried to record "Kingdom" broadcasted on HD but even if I can watch it without problem "live" ( VDR 1.7.7+ Xine 0.9.2 + VDPau), the recording is zero size
Is it the fact the video PID is non standard and VDR don't know how to record it (considering it is not video) ?
What does this mean, "the video PID is non standard"?
Klaus
By the way, recording of BBC HD or Anixe HD is nice at the same time ..
Is there also a patch to prevent VDR to set video PID to zero when using the option setup/DVB card/update name + Pids
Any help appreciated
Thanks
Le Sunday 30 November 2008 19:29:43 Tony Houghton, vous avez écrit :
On Sun, 30 Nov 2008 19:05:28 +0100
dplu@free.fr wrote:
The line I gave is for VDR 1.7.0 native (multiproto plus) plus patch S H264 .. and no more addons
If you have no images, check if VDR did not update the channel automatically and put zero on VPID .. If the option setup/dvb card/ update channels is ON or "update PID" or "update name" etc , set it to off and reset channel to VPID 3401 and PPID to 3401 too
ITV HD broadcast with a special video PID and VDR is not able to catch it so jerk setup every time .. there is no update for this channel from a long time ITV broadcast a "service not available" when there is nothing to watch, so you can setup easyly your vdr
OK, that seems to be what happened. I just about get sound and picture, but not usable, because nothing but libxine recognises the stream and it will only use one CPU core regardless of the ffmpeg_thread_count setting. Perhaps it uses libx264 directly?
vdr mailing list vdr@linuxtv.org http://www.linuxtv.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/vdr
Klaus Schmidinger schrieb:
Well, if they don't broadcast their Vpid in the SI data, how is a receiver supposed to know what to receive?
Maybe you should complain to the broadcaster about this.
Klaus
Afaik this is intentional to limit the scope of viewers to users of their "Freesat" receivers. So this problem also exist for other (non-freesat) receivers out there that do not allow manual vpid settings. While vdr does allow setting the vpid (while not auto-updating channel data) in this case recording seams to fail anyway while live view is working.
I know, this is non-standard behaviour and you probably do not want to support this by adjusting vdr. On the other hand, if (with manual interaction) its possible to view the channel, shouldn't it also be possible to record it?
Best regards, Christian
On Sun, 2009-06-21 at 18:20 +0200, Christian Tramnitz wrote:
Klaus Schmidinger schrieb:
Well, if they don't broadcast their Vpid in the SI data, how is a receiver supposed to know what to receive?
Maybe you should complain to the broadcaster about this.
Klaus
Afaik this is intentional to limit the scope of viewers to users of their "Freesat" receivers. So this problem also exist for other (non-freesat) receivers out there that do not allow manual vpid settings. While vdr does allow setting the vpid (while not auto-updating channel data) in this case recording seams to fail anyway while live view is working.
I don't know about the recording problem, but I have dealt with this type of issues (auto-updating overwriting channels.conf) by having two copies of the channel: one with rid=0 and one with rid=1. When vdr updates the channel, it only updates the one with rid=0, leaving the other along. I then put the one with rid=1 at the end of my channel list when I never try to tune to it. A bit of a hack, but it works.
I know, this is non-standard behaviour and you probably do not want to support this by adjusting vdr. On the other hand, if (with manual interaction) its possible to view the channel, shouldn't it also be possible to record it?
Best regards, Christian
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